funky (* 29.8.1993)
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A tady ještě z úst Victorie Nuland, náměstkyně ministra zahraničí USA.
Poprvé na brífinku 27. ledna 2022:
https://www.state.gov/briefings/… (zde je také přepis celé tiskovky)
(00-07-20) Victoria Nuland: "With regard to Nord Stream 2, we continue to have very strong and clear conversations with our German allies, and I want to be clear with you today. If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward."
John, journalist: "And how do you – how can you say for that for sure? Where does your confidence come from on that?"
Victoria Nuland: "As I said, we’ve had extensive consultations at every level with our German allies. I’m not going to get into the specifics here today, but we will work with Germany to ensure that the pipeline does not move forward."
Simon, journalist: "Sorry, just to follow up again on that. But is there assurance that you have from the Germans? Because what the Germans have said publicly doesn’t match with what you’re saying exactly, and the agreement, that you guys signed last year, doesn’t specifically say if Russia invades Ukraine, we will cut off the pipeline. So, is there something new that Germany has said to you in the last 24 hours that’s changed your language on that?"
Victoria Nuland: "Well, first of all, I would say go back and read the document that we signed in July [zřejmě myšleno společné prohlášení USA a Německa z července 2021, tzv. "Joint Statement of the United States and Germany on Support for Ukraine, European Energy Security, and our Climate Goals"] that made very clear about the consequences for the pipeline if there is further aggression on Ukraine by Russia. That’s one thing. Second, I think the statements coming out of Berlin even today are very, very strong, as were – as they were by Emily Haber [něm. velvyslankyně v USA] from the embassy today."
Podruhé na slyšení ve výboru pro zahraniční věci 26. ledna 2023:
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/hear…(01-54-34) Senator Cruz [senátor USA za Texas]: "(…) Miss Nuland, as you know, in January of last year the Senate voted on my legislation to impose sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline [tento Cruzem předložený návrh zákona o nových sankcích byl v Senátu USA 13. ledna 2022 zamítnut]. And it did so, before Russia have invaded Ukraine. When the Senate voted on those sanctions, President Zelenskyy publicly urged, even begged the United States Senate to pass those sanctions. And President Zelenskyy said passing those sanctions then were the last chance to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine. The last chance to prevent Russian tanks rolling in to Ukraine. Was President Zelenskyy wrong?"
Victoria Nuland: "Senator Cruz, like you, I am, and I think the Administration [Bidenova administrativa] is, very gratified to know that Nord Stream 2 is now, as you like to say, a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea. I personally am having been involved along with my boss, Secretary Blinken [ministr zahraničí USA], in all of those negotiations with Russia to try to prevent this war in December. Do not believe that had that Nord Stream 2 been cut off in January that would’ve been decisive for Putin. It was important that the day the war began, the Germans cut the pipeline as did the rest of the Europeans, but he was bound and determined to go into Ukraine as you know."
Senator Cruz: "So you believe Zelenskyy was wrong when he said stopping Nord Stream 2 was… was the last and best way to stop this war."
Victoria Nuland: "I don’t think it would have stopped Putin and, you know, I… I wish–"
Senator Cruz: "And... and when the government… when the government of Poland similarly said… begged the United States Senate to pass those sanctions and said this is the last and best opportunity to stop Russia from invading Ukraine, you believe Poland was wrong too?"
Victoria Nuland: "I do not believe we would have prevented this war had the Europeans acted faster on Nord Stream 2, I wish it were the case, but I don’t think it would have stopped it."